Posted on11 November 2009.
I get a lot of folks askin me about how to use ableton live like an mpc.
Specifically how to play your chops so they cut each other off.
I also cover how to make your own custom presets for when chopping samples.
If you want to chop and automatically add fx and such, you can do it.
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Absolutely essential tutorial for MPC hedz! Great job as always St. Joe.
Question – Say you already had your samples chopped up already. Do we have the ability to just open up the made preset and manually insert our own chops thus taking on the preset values? Is this done by just opening the preset like a regular drum rack in the midi track?
Intelx
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saintjoe Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Thanks homie!
Yep, if you watch in the video, remember the first part where I made a preset for the simpler with my desired settings? If you
drag that do the “dropping samples” preset folder, every time you drop your chops into the drum rack they will have those settings.
I haven’t found out how to make them automatically go into the same choke group yet if you already have your slices, I will work on that and
see if it’s possible. But you can def make them oneshots automatically.
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saintjoe Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Actually, you can just make a new preset. You will have to open a new drum rack, drag your onesthot simpler or an empty simpler to each square, and make your settings. So what I did with one square, setting the choke group and release, just do that for how many samples you’d typically have pre chopped. Then save it as a preset. On the right hand corner of the drum rack is a lil “floppy disk” if you click that it will save your preset and put it under the drum rack folder in instruments. Anytime you have samples already chopped, just use this and when you drop them in they will take on those settings.
Same thing applies, you can put fx and whatever you want on these presets and drag them in. It’s not as automated as the slicing preset, but it’s pretty quick. You can make it after you make your slicing preset.
Just press ctrl and drag the first cell you setup to all the other ones, if you usually use 16 just drag the same one to 16 cells and they will all take on those settings.
lemme know if I need to do another video…actually, I think I will. I’ll let you know when it’s ready.
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Intelxbeats Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Bro! I can’t thank you enough! I just finished chopping up a sample and have it all layed out in my pads ready to go. The editing in the simpler is like having an MPC chop screen on crack. You can really get down and dirty with these samples in live. Can you tell i’m excited?? LOL! Thanks again fam. Lemme know when the new vid is up.
Intelx
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saintjoe Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Hahahaha, I feel you man, once you see it you’re like WOW, it’s so quick and flexible man lol. You can make so many “automatic” presets…it’s just stupid yo.
I’ll let ya know fam
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Intelxbeats Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 10:57 am
The one shot preset that i made for drums is not loading with a drum rack for some reason. Why is this?
Intelx
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saintjoe Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 11:46 am
you have to make sure you save it to the “dropping samples” folder, and then put it in the “on drum rack” and it will work.
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Love this video Joe. We need more of these.
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saintjoe Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Thanks for checkin it out bro! I got a few more to share, I just like to do it when I find something that enhances my workflow and stuff people are always askin me about.
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Cool video! It’s features like this that stopped my buying MPC’s!
I did buy an MPC5000 earlier this year but returned it to the store. It seemed more like a remake of the Alesis Fusion workstation than an MPC and very buggy. I’m surprised Akai haven’t gone down the NI MASCHINE route to be honest. I see they’ve just released a Special Edition version of the MPC2500 in Japan. Not sure which countries are getting it yet. It looks a lot like the 2500LE that Akai made for Guitar Centre stores in the U.S. last year!
I saw your tweet on Live Intro too – I agree 100% – great way to get into Ableton for the money.
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saintjoe Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Thanks bro! yeah man, there really are tons of options out here, ableton with a dope midi controller is a monster setup, throw maschine in the mix and it’s really game over.
I too am surprised akai hasn’t done something like maschine, maybe they’ll get with ableton and come up with something similar! I’d def get that one lol.
Live intro is nice man, to be able to get into live for that price is crazy…with multitimbral vsts you can still get past the 4 instrument limit, not to mention you can use 8 ableton instruments as well.
64 audio tracks and unlimited midi? That’s crazy man.
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Sick tutorial, thats exactly something I have been trying to learn! Now I feel like I wanna go through the dusties and make something happen.
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saintjoe Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Cool yo! glad you like it! spread the word
Ableton is QUICK on the chopping man, you can set it up however you want and still tweak it afterwords.
crazy
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saintjoe Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
hahahahaha!
that’s whasup man! I hope to get my hands on suite one day lol…it’s a lil steep right now. But I’m glad u got it man, you will LOVE it, it’s absolutely the best production daw around in my opinion, it just works.
let me know if you need any help and I’ll see if i can help ya out! And I’ll try to point the Ableton folks in this direction so they see what u said and gimme my royalties hahaha or a sticker…mousepad lol, something lol.
peace
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Clean and concise as usual Saintjoe. It’s crazy, it’s like Drum Racks are TOO dope.
I love Battery, Guru and Redrum but with CPU always an issue I might just work with
Drum Racks. You’re right about Live Intro, I hope mad people cop it if only for Drum Racks. If I didn’t already have Live I’d pay a hundred just for the Racks. Hope you do more tutorials, you’re nice with em and I think these ones that bridge the hardware mindset with software are what a lot of people look for.
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saintjoe Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Thanks alot homie! I try to bring it how I would like to get it ya know? That’s what this site is all about…I know millions like me man, that think like me and work like me.
I don’t want folks to miss out on all the good stuff because no one took the time to explain it to them and SHOW them.
Drum Racks are crazy, really, it’s so quick to slice and chop in ableton man, just right click and choose the size, done lol.
I’m just trying to keep it going man!
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Thanks for sharing the knowledge. I’m one of those people that take hype and product claims with skepticism and appreciates seeing some real world application that’s close to how I would like to use a program. With Intro coming out, I think it’s time for me to get off the fence and get into Live even with it’s limitations. I wonder if Ableton would create a LaunchPad/Intro bundle…hmmm?!
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saintjoe Reply:
November 12th, 2009 at 7:30 am
That would be a pretty dope bundle, even as it stands, the price for both is pretty low. But intro alone is a great product.
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Thnx again for providing an alternate take on how to get things done. I plan on getting Intro for now before putting out the $$ for the full version.
For those who were wondering about Live’s latest controller, I had a chance to get up close w/ Novation’s LaunchPad and have to say it made using clips soooo smooth & swift it was ridiculous. Being I’ve never used Live before, the relationship to the clips on screen made thing a lot more intuitive and fun. I felt like a lil’ kid hoarding all the cookies as others in the store looked like they wanted to get on (Not! wait your turn..*lmao*). Not only that despite what some have said on other sites the pads are not as unforgiving as stated. Given they’re not Maschine/MPC/PadControl quality but good for their intended use. It was still comfortable to bang out beats/rythms. So if velocity isn’t an issue (my guess is you could add automation later) it gives you an 8×8 grid to work with, nice for an expanded drum rack, synth or NI’s Battery via automap. Is it worth $199, hmmm if you do gigs w/Live yes however for those of us that “don’t” get paid for a venue then you may want to be patient for the price to drop (who knows it may go to $150 over the next few months).
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saintjoe Reply:
November 19th, 2009 at 8:08 am
No doubt bro, thanks for checkin. I’ve heard a lot of great things about the launchpad, for my tastes I think I’m gonna go with the apc 40, I just need a real hands on control of ableton, not just clip launching. I like the faders and knobs and other stuff lol.
Live intro is dope, live is dope by itself, intro is a powerful option at a great price, let us know when you get it.
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I like the video and I need your help with either getting NI’s Maschine or just Ableton Live suite8
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saintjoe Reply:
December 1st, 2009 at 8:30 am
thanks for checkin it out, I sent ya an email, read it and get back wit me
peace
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can you only chop samples with f.e. LIVE 8 or can you also chop them with the basic Ableton Live Intro??
Sorry for asking again, if its mentioned here somewhere
And how many VSTs are you able to insert into Live Intro? Is it limited?
What about the rewire-functionality?? does it work with reason f.e.??
really thinking about getting the LIVE INTRO version…its only 99€ here =)
thanks my man!!! appreciate your effort and help!!
peace
HAZEEM
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saintjoe Reply:
December 4th, 2009 at 8:37 am
No doubt
yes you can chop like this in intro, you can use 4 vst instrument plugins and 6 vst fx plugins.
It can use rewire too
it’s a great deal, and with multitimbral instruments, you can really do some damage, some plugins allow multiple midi tracks to be sent to them.
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HAZEEM Reply:
December 4th, 2009 at 11:53 am
thanks for the quick answer!
then i think i found a new program to combine all sequencers / plug ins / instruments into one “giant bubble of creativity”…
i´ll buy the intro version next week! i think the money is worth it!!
just stumbled across here..i´ll definetely will bookmark it!
PEACE
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saintjoe Reply:
December 4th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Intro is definitely a great deal, I know I can do pretty much whatever I need with it, only thing I wish it had was the external instrument device, I really like to use that for working with multi timbral plugins, but other than that, everything else is there.
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trying to get the one shot workings, i will read over the comments and see if i miss something
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saintjoe Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 11:55 am
what exactly isn’t working?
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alwayzambitious Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
i figured it out. i never set the choke to 1, so all of my samples were not cuttin over each other.
next task: make it so that the samples play at full level when i let go of the key. when i let go the sample fades a lil bit. when i stay pressing, the level stays full..
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saintjoe Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
cool
for the volume issue, you need to mess with the amp sustain settings and save it to your preset
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alwayzambitious Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
i did that with no success. no worries, i’ll keep trying…
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saintjoe Reply:
January 28th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
make the changes in your simpler preset, then use the simpler preset for your drum rack preset.
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flowitit Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
Yo, I’m having crazy difficulties figuring out how to use Ableton like an mpc. I’m trying to use my controller for multiple tracks, but it seems to only work for one track. And it’s the track that I have the drum rack on. How do you use the drum rack for multiple tracks? Man! I understand how powerful the program, but I just need someone to help me through this thing for real!!! If anyone can help hit me up!
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alwayzambitious Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Yo dude, I’m not playing around. I’m in the same boat as you as far as learning to use ableton to make hip hop… hit me up on twitter… and i can show u how i figured out the above tutorial. Note: i’m no expert but i got the above video to work. We can figure this game out together .. http://twitter(dot)com/alwayzambitious
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saintjoe Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
thats whasup fam, keep networkin!
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saintjoe Reply:
January 29th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
I’m not sure what you mean by multiple tracks? You mean use the controller to control multiple tracks at once? Because if you working on one track at a time you’ll just move your focus to the next track and enable that track, then your controller will work with that track.
if you want multiple drum racks with the same sounds on different tracks just ctrl+drag the channel and it will duplicate it. Or you can right click then duplicate…it will let you copy the same drum rack to different tracks if you like to work that way.
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flowitit Reply:
January 30th, 2010 at 8:59 am
Yea, that was one of my problems. Yo u got AIM? hit me up Leeno314. Got more questions then I’ll be on point.
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saintjoe Reply:
January 30th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
i’m on aim, soundsandgear
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alwayzambitious Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 1:23 pm
i added u but dont see u…
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Whether you already own Live or you’ve only seen your rock-star friend making music with it, come the Pro A/V Room to demo the new Ableton Live 8 software. Sam Walker from Ableton will be on hand all afternoon to show you what’s new and answer all your questions. Just drop by anytime between 1 and 5 PM to speak with him. ABletonhttp://tinyurl.com/ybph64h
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saintjoe Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 1:56 pm
I should be there.
that’s dope about the Live day up there, nice.
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I gotta mention one BIG ass thing about ableton live. Joe you might have heard of this.
Warning: When you warp audio samples to match your song tempo, then you chop them up for whatever reason it still uses the OLD tempo. so it won’t be on beat.
The work around is to record the new track into a new clip. then you chop THAT sucker up.
Let me know yall if u get me …
This was a big stumper
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saintjoe Reply:
February 7th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Yeah man, if live allowed you to use the same timestretch/warping when in the drum racks all would be well. I stil don’t understand why they didn’t allow that.
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Thanks for the very helpful tutorial I’m new to Ableton Live 8
not new to the music.
I been on it for like three weeks straight so far its real good very fast work flow for software. I got to learn this program!! this is the New Age Thanks for all your help peace.
ALL ABOUT REAL HIP HOP
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saintjoe Reply:
February 21st, 2010 at 11:17 pm
no doubt man, ableton live is that joint!
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man exactly wut i need i just got live never knew it was this fresh with loops was still auto choppin till i saw this1
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saintjoe Reply:
March 17th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Live is nice man, real talk.
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Man…one word…Thanks!
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saintjoe Reply:
May 30th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
@Nut, no doubt yo! Thanks for stopping by!
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This is a great post Saintjoe..loved it. I’m using Live with Launchpad. My question is how do you record the samples that are being triggered from launchpad or the Apc into a track in live. I must have the routing wrong. Any help with this is greatly appreciated.
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saintjoe Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 8:44 am
@drummette, I’m not quite sure on that one, I don’t use a launchpad, are you triggering clips or samples from the drum rack with it?
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camille gainer Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
@saintjoe, I’m triggering samples…the quest is one….POOF!!!!!!!!
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saintjoe Reply:
June 15th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
@camille gainer, is the track armed for recording? and is it set to receive midi from the launchpad? it should work with no problem.
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yo that was dope man hey can you make a video on how to get separate audio channels for each midi channel in a multitimbral multiout vst like Kontakt or Emulator x or sampletank
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saintjoe Reply:
June 25th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
@mehdo, thanks for watchin, checkout the video I did on Maschine sending midi to Live’s sequencer. I setup each group to send it’s own audio on a different channel, it’s the same for something like kontakt, etc.
you just use the “external instrument” device in live, and set it to send midi to a specific channel, and receive audio from a specific channel.
The audio routing depends more on the plugin than live.
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IDK how i finish here maybe saint google showed me da path to saint joe =) , MAN THAK U SO MUCH!!! much luv from mexico my man !!!!
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saintjoe Reply:
August 5th, 2010 at 10:26 am
@EKSone, ahahahaha, cool man, glad you found it and glad to help!
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